Hi and welcome! We had another topic on this only recently. I'm trying to find it. I have an Olds with a 6xxx serial number and it dates from 1925. Is yours the classic TIS Olds? Lots of Olds trombone information here: Here's the thread I was looking for: Does the trombone have an ivory mouthpiece? My Olds came with a few shards and the shank from one.

They were very unusual (and cannot be replaced), but if they break they're history. Does the trombone have a bunch of dents right at the bell throat? If so LEAVE IT!! It was an expensive option.

My Olds had it and I had it rolled out before I knew what it was. Is there an engraving of a bear playing the trombone on the bell? Does it have a counterweight? One shaped like a bear? If you can, post a few pictures of yours so we can drool. Also, play it if you can.

They were great instruments. Just watch out if you need to put in or take out mutes (ask me how I know this ).

Thanks to all for the information. The instrument is kind of tarnished. I was going to clean the outside with normal tarnish remover and shine it up a bit. Is this the appropriate way of cleaning it up? As far as the questions: There is no ivory mouthpiece. Looks to be a replacement (stamped Vincent Bach Corporation).

There is no engraving of a bear on the bell or counterweight. The engraving seems to be of a flower around the Olds logo.

There are dents in the bottom of the bell. I thought these looked like damage. After I clean it up I will post some pictures and get opinions. I believe my grand-father was in the Army band corps in or around World War I. Perhaps this was the military version.and, I will take care of my 'date' from this point on.

Tarnish is easily removed with a good tarnish remover. Do you know if it was silver plate or burnished brass? If it was silver, you should use a silver polish if possible.

For brass a brass polish works, or I used to use a multi-metal polish called Noxon (worked OK for silver). The Bach mouthpiece is definitely a replacement. Bach didn't make mouthpieces until well after World War I or the manufacture date of your trombone. Is the Bach mouthpiece marked 'New York', 'Mt.

Vernon', or 'Elkhart'? If it is New York or Mount Vernon it could be more valuable than you think (but not enough to make you independently wealthy). I have a rather odd balancer that looks a little like the shape of a bat's wing. I'd be interested in seeing what your balancer looks like.

These things were sold without the balancer and as such were VERY nose-heavy which makes playing them for extended periods uncomfortable. There will also be a set of letters to say which bore size you have. Mine is ML (medium-large dual) and I have an 8' bell -- chrome plated. Never saw chrome plate in any of the catalogs. The slide section of the trombone is satin silver plate.

Apparently mine is somewhat less common; the smaller bell sizes were more popular. Mine belonged to the uncle of my mother's cousin's landlady and had been in a cellar for 20 years when I got it in the 1960s. It was owned by a professional player. The 1927 catalog on the Rouse's site will give you a lot of information on the different models. Considering that these things cost $100 - $250 in 1927, they must have been the Shires horns of their day.

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The mouthpiece (Bach) is stamped 'New York' and has a 17 C also printed on the outside. The Bell measures 8 inches and seems to be gold plated on the inside (or could be brass). Right above the serial number (2009) there is a M L stamp (I assume that is Medium-Large Bore).

Seems to be the Finish 2 Burnished model. The outside of the bell is silver. The slide is silver. I am not sure what a 'balancer' would look like. A New York 17C is not a popular size (it's pretty small), but generally New York mouthpieces go for somewhat north of $100 and possibly $300 on Ebay. The inside of your bell has a 'gold wash'.

It's a VERY thin layer of gold. If you don't have a balancer, then there is a single brace in the bell section and the back end is a simple loop with nothing in it. A balancer would be a block of something that attaches to the back of the loop in the bell section.

Conical vs cylindrical The degree to which an instrument is conical has a profound influence on the sound it produces. In a 'cylindrical' instrument, the tubing has the same bore throughout. A 'conical' instrument has tubing which starts with a small bore and widens out to a larger bore. Theoretically, trumpets and trombones are cylindrical bore instruments. In practical terms however, almost all instruments including trumpets and trombones are conical to some degree.

The difference is in the degree. The effect of increasing the degree of conical-ness of an instrument can perhaps best be explained using an example: A trumpet is a (theoretically) cylindrical instrument. A cornet is a somewhat conical instrument.

A flugelhorn is a very conical instrument. A trumpet sounds 'penetrating', a cornet somewhat more mellow, a flugelhorn sounds very mellow. This difference is caused by a change in the shape of the sound wave, so I am told. I am also told that the change is not the same as occurs when increasing the bore, but apparently this is rather complicated.

The difference in degree of conical-ness and the influence on the way it sounds is also the reason why several models of trombone have the tuning slide in the hand slide and not the bell crook: it allows the entire bell to be (smoothly) conical from the join with the hand slide to the end of the bell. When the tuning slide is in the bell, there needs to be a section of cylindrical tubing to allow for the tuning slide. Incidentally, it would appear that the more cylindrical the bore is the better an instrument 'slots' and conversely, it is more difficult to 'bend' notes.

• • • • • • • • ->:: Author Message aremick Regular Member Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 81 Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:54 am Post subject: Olds Recording Serial Numbers Mine is 139XXX, so I believe it was made in early 1955, but does anyone out there have any horns with 'papers' to bracket the serial numbers a bit closer? It also has single sided guides, and I notice that my LA Ambassadors (Cornets) have double sided guides (100XXX and 70XXX). Forfun Polisenso Download Cd Completo. Did earlier Recordings have double guides? If so when was the change? TheLawTalkingGuy Veteran Member Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 387 Location: Halifax, NS (Canada) Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: I have no papers or provenance info, but my Recording cornet (S/N 115XXX) and my Super trumpet (S/N 104XXX - both circa 1953, according to Olds Central), and the Recording trumpet of one of my community band mates (S/N 94XXX) all have LA bell engraving and double sided valve guides. Hope that helps. John aremick Regular Member Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 81 Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: Thanks - I think it tells me that somewhere between 104XXX and 139XXX they changed to single sided valve guides!

BTW, I forgot to mention that mine hass an LA bell (Maybe I didn't need to!). Trptbenge Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Feb 2002 Posts: 2364 Location: Atlanta, GA Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:03 am Post subject: You can check out Alan Rouses Olds Central for accurate serial number lists for Olds. Mike _________________ It's the sound that makes the difference! Dr-pepp Veteran Member Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 426 Location: Austin TX Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:13 am Post subject: Regarding the single pin valve guides, my experiance is that this change occurred at different times in different Olds models.

It seems to have occurred generally between serial number 80,000 and 90,000 on most models. I think it occurred early on Ambassadors, which would make sense if Olds was using up parts on hand. They did not sell as many of the higher end models, so they used up what they had. The difference is not only in the valve guides, but in the valve piston and casing itself, so I'm sure they didn't want to scrap any parts on hand. To support my theory, they used nickel silver tone rings on Supers that were engraved with Los Angeles into the early 1960's. The hand engraved horns were changed to Fullerton right away, but Supers in the 300,000 serial number range still have Los Angeles engraved in the ring.

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